bentj96 wrote:A little too far don't you think? Put yourself in the place where you are forced to give birth to your rapists' child. How would you feel having such a burden brought upon you after you've been raped? Don't let the prospect of death scare you, what the mother will feel carrying that burden is far worse. First, an abortion doesn't really count as murder since the baby is neither alive nor have any clue of what is going on. It takes almost 2 months just to develop a brain. The mother will most likely have noticed by then. Before this...all we have is basically an embryo. Cells. The problem occurs once the baby has become aware or can be considered a human being. You can't be tricked by ethics where it does not apply. Murder...is bad but sometimes necessary especially when it doesn't count as murder and the result of not doing it is just a suffering and lost mother.
Ok, I'm going to break this up so I can address your statements individually.
Don't let the prospect of death scare you, what the mother will feel carrying that burden is far worse. First, an abortion doesn't really count as murder since the baby is neither alive nor have any clue of what is going on.
Abortion is definitely counted as murder. It's been scientifically proven that life starts at conception. This "group of cells" as you call it, is nothing less than a human being. You don't change species while you're growing in the womb!
The problem occurs once the baby has become aware or can be considered a human being. You can't be tricked by ethics where it does not apply. Murder...is bad but sometimes necessary especially when it doesn't count as murder and the result of not doing it is just a suffering and lost mother.
This "murder is bad but sometimes necessary" argument is ridiculous. If it's ok to murder an innocent baby in the womb, then who's to say it's not ok for a robber to murder someone to avoid going to jail. The robber could say "I know it was bad to murder him, but it was necessary to save myself".
If you really believe that the "problem" occurs when the baby is, in your opinion, aware and considered a human being, then how can you justify late-term abortions? How can you justify the law that, if an abortion fails and the baby is born alive, you are legally allowed to just let the baby die?
The whole thing is just sick.
Right, that's my answers to bentj96.
lethe_naiad wrote:Mizora wrote:I have always been anti-abortion. I mean to the extent of participating in "Walks for Life" where the anti abortioners go on a huge walk through the city and wave signs and stuff like that. It's a great event and I love going on them. There are always thousands of people there and they always film it and put it on the news. Me and my cousins were filmed waving our "pro-life" signs once. We got on the evening news.
I think it's wrong for adults to push their beliefs on children to the extent of actively protesting. You're underage. Your parents shouldn't be able to use you as a political tool.
If we lost the freedom of abortion in our country (since Mizora and I both live in Australia), I would be worried. We are supposed to be secular. Removing a choice is not the way to go. I agree with programs to reduce teen pregnancy, to educate young men and women, and I agree wholeheartedly with the desire to lessen abortions. But in the end it's not ethical to force your beliefs on someone. There's nothing to stop an anti-abortion woman from keeping a pregnancy.
Do you really think my parents are forcing me to take their opinions? My parents are just explaining the truth about abortion. They're not forcing me to believe them, it's my choice when it comes to choosing what to believe. Just because I believe the same as my parents doesn't mean they're forcing me to. Your argument suggests that we have to disagree with our parents otherwise it means we're being forced to believe what they believe. And as for being underage, at what age do you think girls become sexually active, do you think?