opalkoboi wrote:sharkie wrote:Opal what he's saying is that your personal morals aren't everybody elses. And it's not something like 'murder is wrong'- it's something that is unclear. So letting people decide for themselves, rather than pushing other people's morals (which are normally influenced by religion, NORMALLY) on them. He's not discrediting yours, he's simply saying that if you think it's morally wrong then NEVER get an abortion. But your morals do not equal my morals, so do not stay in the way of mine just because you believe it's wrong.
Um, that's not what was happening AT ALL. True, I think that, but that;s not at all what we were arguing about. He's saying there is no moral right and wrong, and he's saying otherwise. I say there is because although it differs from person to person, it doesn't mean it doesnt exsist, because it does exsist for each indervidual person.
bentj96 wrote: I never once said moral doesn't exist... There is no right and wrong. Simply what the majority think is right or wrong. If someone believes something else, doesn't mean they're wrong. It's just contrary to the majority.
sharkie wrote:Opal what he's saying is that your personal morals aren't everybody elses. And it's not something like 'murder is wrong'- it's something that is unclear. So letting people decide for themselves, rather than pushing other people's morals (which are normally influenced by religion, NORMALLY) on them. He's not discrediting yours, he's simply saying that if you think it's morally wrong then NEVER get an abortion. But your morals do not equal my morals, so do not stay in the way of mine just because you believe it's wrong.
Kitsy wrote:Secondly, having an abortion the day before a baby is born sounds like urban rumours. The cut off point is around 4 months, I think? Anything past that is only if something very, very serious is wrong (ie. the mother's life is in danger.)
sharkie wrote:It isn't the same as the man on the street though.
The man on the street- you see abuse, there is no reason for why that man should be hitting his child. You pull him up and you say "WTF." Because there is no possible thing that can make it acceptable.
sharkie wrote:So we have a situation where a girl gets pregnant, finds out early on and is like "I don't think I'm ready." But your view is "I don't care if it is absolutely nothing like a baby yet, or that you're only 8 weeks in- and I don't care about your currently very successful life, or unhappy life that having a baby would ruin- YOU SHOULD CARRY IT."
Mizora wrote:Pro-abortionists are never genuinely concerned with the mother, they do not offer proper counselling because to do so would be to admit that what they are doing is damaging the mother.
Kitsy wrote:You also portray as anyone who is pro-choice (your use of the word "pro-abortion" just shows your ignorance) is automatically evil, who don't care about the baby or the mother. Surely someone pro-choice cares about the mother, or why else would they give the choice in the first place?
If anything, it is pro-life groups that are ignoring the well-being of the potential mother. If she has decided that she wants an abortion, and they try and stop her then they are going against what she feels is best for herself and her "child."
Kitsy wrote:Surely someone who is pro-choice also cares about the "child" because many people who argue for pro-choice do so saying that the "child's" life would be v. bad.
sharkie wrote:See that high number of aborted 'children', Mizora, so you think they should all go into care? Do yu think all the mothers should have kept them. Because if you think care, well that's a lot of children in care, which is practically a one way ticket to poverty, (talking because of the figures here), and if you think the women should keep them then you can not claim to be anything but oppressive to women.
sharkie wrote:Which brings me to the next fail you had. The boy being naughty? Hmmm, except sex isn't naughty. Except there's nothing wrong with a woman having sex.
Also, going back up there. Take this example- say we had a teacher that tried to act all cool and casual "yeah you can mess around in my class" and then, hearing that, the boy messes around, and draws on the desk. Then the teacher goes "What no! You can't do that- detention."
THat's a much more accurate portrayal of the abortion situation. It's unfair because the teacher (representing society) has made people feel like it's okay to do something, only to turn around and say "Huh no, suffer the consequences."
Kitsy wrote:On abortion being "euthanasia." Sometimes, yes. If the child has such a medical condition that it will not live for very long and will be in alot of pain, then yes, I think abortion is the kindest thing to do. This is not an uncommon reason for abortion. Or maybe carrying the child will be harmful to the mother - that is another reason that abortions are carried out.
Kitsy wrote:The difference between killing a baby that is in front of you and having an abortion is that the foetus is NOT a baby. Scientifically, legally, it is not a baby.
sharkie wrote:Also- as for the life at conception argument- 60-80% of fertilised eggs are flushed away in the menstrual cycle
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