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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Atlantis Complex !!SPOILER ALERT!!

Postby Mizora » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:53 am

lotrfan wrote:@the second part - yeah, after re-reading what I wrote, I don't really like the idea of assuming he'll marry someone else. Honestly, I can't ever picture him marrying someone other than Holly. (not that I'm sitting here planning out their wedding...I just mean that it could work...) So instead we can just assume that he'll stay single. The important thing is that he's single in the end if not with Holly.

Look, guys, Colfer himself has already stated that Holly and Artemis can't be together. Why are you still thinking about it? Also, Eoin said that "he'll have to find someone" to "tie up loose ends" so I don't think he'll end up single. Anyway, in my opinion, anything other than an A/H relationship would be preferable. That's why I was so glad that Eoin actually said himself that an A/H relationship was impossible. Seriously, if he did that, it would turn the AF books into a variation of Twilight. :eyeroll:
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Postby lotrfan » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:37 pm

Mizora wrote:
lotrfan wrote:@the second part - yeah, after re-reading what I wrote, I don't really like the idea of assuming he'll marry someone else. Honestly, I can't ever picture him marrying someone other than Holly. (not that I'm sitting here planning out their wedding...I just mean that it could work...) So instead we can just assume that he'll stay single. The important thing is that he's single in the end if not with Holly.

Look, guys, Colfer himself has already stated that Holly and Artemis can't be together. Why are you still thinking about it? Also, Eoin said that "he'll have to find someone" to "tie up loose ends" so I don't think he'll end up single. Anyway, in my opinion, anything other than an A/H relationship would be preferable. That's why I was so glad that Eoin actually said himself that an A/H relationship was impossible. Seriously, if he did that, it would turn the AF books into a variation of Twilight. :eyeroll:


Please, Please stop comparing any form of romance to twilight! Seriously! You have no idea how annoyed that makes me.
Yeah, so he's said that they're different species and can't be together because of that, but he didn't say that they won't be together. By that I mean, he's saying that the reason they aren't together is because of the species difference, but he never said that this is the complete end of their relationship. And besides, we can still ship A/H if we want to, and keep spitting out all the obvious evidence and hope for some form of acknowledgement.

It's just like on How I Met Your Mother. Yeah, sure, Ted calls Robin 'aunt Robin' and keeps trying to prove that it's someone else, but I can still believe that it is Robin, because he never actually said "It's not Robin, it's this other person" and therefore, there's still hope.
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Postby Mizora » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:35 am

lotrfan wrote:Yeah, so he's said that they're different species and can't be together because of that, but he didn't say that they won't be together.

Umm. I'll have to quote myself to answer this.
Mizora wrote:Oh my gosh. I LOVE this quote:
Holly and Artemis are at completely different stages in their lives – Holly is 70 in fairy years – so while they can grow to like and respect each other they can’t be together. If you want that, read Twilight.

Thank you, Eoin! That's just what I wanted. Also, what bentj said about A/H is right too. Finally! Someone sees from my point of view!

Eoin actually said they can't be together. How much clearer can you be?
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Postby Tira » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:11 am

Didn't he also say that they'd never kiss? And that Eternity Code was the last book? And meanwhile, in the books, which is what actually counts as canon, Artemis has developed an alter dedicated to pursuing Holly, who claims that Artemis thinks about her all the time, and has "all of his passion," while Holly worries about him, wants to hold him, still thinks about snogging him, and is willing to risk her life for him. I'm going to stop thinking they have potential as a couple when Colfer stops writing it.

And the "completely different stages in their development" thing doesn't work. What about Arwen and Aragorn, referenced by Artemis himself? What about Doctor/Companion? (I am finding an excuse to work the "You can spend your whole life with me. I can't spend my whole life with you," quote into a fic. Somewhere, it will be put.) What about all the many, many human/elf romances that have existed over the years? If you want to argue physics of the relationship, that's another matter, that I can't have a PG discussion about, but I have some ideas as to how it can be circumvented.

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Postby ILiveForTheDay » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:19 pm

Tira wrote:Didn't he also say that they'd never kiss? And that Eternity Code was the last book? And meanwhile, in the books, which is what actually counts as canon, Artemis has developed an alter dedicated to pursuing Holly, who claims that Artemis thinks about her all the time, and has "all of his passion," while Holly worries about him, wants to hold him, still thinks about snogging him, and is willing to risk her life for him. I'm going to stop thinking they have potential as a couple when Colfer stops writing it.

And the "completely different stages in their development" thing doesn't work. What about Arwen and Aragorn, referenced by Artemis himself? What about Doctor/Companion? (I am finding an excuse to work the "You can spend your whole life with me. I can't spend my whole life with you," quote into a fic. Somewhere, it will be put.) What about all the many, many human/elf romances that have existed over the years? If you want to argue physics of the relationship, that's another matter, that I can't have a PG discussion about, but I have some ideas as to how it can be circumvented.


*Nods with respect*
I second that. As soon as Colfer stops writing the romance, I'll stop believing it.

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Postby lotrfan » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:39 pm

Mizora wrote:
lotrfan wrote:Yeah, so he's said that they're different species and can't be together because of that, but he didn't say that they won't be together.

Umm. I'll have to quote myself to answer this.
Mizora wrote:Oh my gosh. I LOVE this quote:
Holly and Artemis are at completely different stages in their lives – Holly is 70 in fairy years – so while they can grow to like and respect each other they can’t be together. If you want that, read Twilight.

Thank you, Eoin! That's just what I wanted. Also, what bentj said about A/H is right too. Finally! Someone sees from my point of view!

Eoin actually said they can't be together. How much clearer can you be?


Ok, I'll admit, after I wrote that I was thinking that it kind of made to sense, but still, my point is, as Tira stated so well, that Colfer isn't always truthful, and just because he says something doesn't mean it will come true exactly the same way.

ILiveForTheDay wrote:
Tira wrote:Didn't he also say that they'd never kiss? And that Eternity Code was the last book? And meanwhile, in the books, which is what actually counts as canon, Artemis has developed an alter dedicated to pursuing Holly, who claims that Artemis thinks about her all the time, and has "all of his passion," while Holly worries about him, wants to hold him, still thinks about snogging him, and is willing to risk her life for him. I'm going to stop thinking they have potential as a couple when Colfer stops writing it.

And the "completely different stages in their development" thing doesn't work. What about Arwen and Aragorn, referenced by Artemis himself? What about Doctor/Companion? (I am finding an excuse to work the "You can spend your whole life with me. I can't spend my whole life with you," quote into a fic. Somewhere, it will be put.) What about all the many, many human/elf romances that have existed over the years? If you want to argue physics of the relationship, that's another matter, that I can't have a PG discussion about, but I have some ideas as to how it can be circumvented.


*Nods with respect*
I second that. As soon as Colfer stops writing the romance, I'll stop believing it.

And I also would like to point you to a fanfic that firejinx wrote. It's called The C Word, and will probably present my argument with more elegance.

Exactly (what both of you said).

I'm so tempted to read that fan-fic...but I'm still afraid of being scarred...
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Postby ILiveForTheDay » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:58 pm

lotrfan wrote:
Mizora wrote:
lotrfan wrote:Yeah, so he's said that they're different species and can't be together because of that, but he didn't say that they won't be together.

Umm. I'll have to quote myself to answer this.
Mizora wrote:Oh my gosh. I LOVE this quote:
Holly and Artemis are at completely different stages in their lives – Holly is 70 in fairy years – so while they can grow to like and respect each other they can’t be together. If you want that, read Twilight.

Thank you, Eoin! That's just what I wanted. Also, what bentj said about A/H is right too. Finally! Someone sees from my point of view!

Eoin actually said they can't be together. How much clearer can you be?


Ok, I'll admit, after I wrote that I was thinking that it kind of made to sense, but still, my point is, as Tira stated so well, that Colfer isn't always truthful, and just because he says something doesn't mean it will come true exactly the same way.

ILiveForTheDay wrote:
Tira wrote:Didn't he also say that they'd never kiss? And that Eternity Code was the last book? And meanwhile, in the books, which is what actually counts as canon, Artemis has developed an alter dedicated to pursuing Holly, who claims that Artemis thinks about her all the time, and has "all of his passion," while Holly worries about him, wants to hold him, still thinks about snogging him, and is willing to risk her life for him. I'm going to stop thinking they have potential as a couple when Colfer stops writing it.

And the "completely different stages in their development" thing doesn't work. What about Arwen and Aragorn, referenced by Artemis himself? What about Doctor/Companion? (I am finding an excuse to work the "You can spend your whole life with me. I can't spend my whole life with you," quote into a fic. Somewhere, it will be put.) What about all the many, many human/elf romances that have existed over the years? If you want to argue physics of the relationship, that's another matter, that I can't have a PG discussion about, but I have some ideas as to how it can be circumvented.


*Nods with respect*
I second that. As soon as Colfer stops writing the romance, I'll stop believing it.

And I also would like to point you to a fanfic that firejinx wrote. It's called The C Word, and will probably present my argument with more elegance.

Exactly (what both of you said).

I'm so tempted to read that fan-fic...but I'm still afraid of being scarred...


GO. READ IT. (And then read the follow on fic)
They're both really good (and cleverly done)

And have you read any fanfiction yet? You know, you're not counted as a true fan until you do :lick:

But basically the punchline is, if anyone says to Artemis he CAN'T do something, he will have to do it.
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Postby BlahhBlahhBlahh » Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:30 am

Mizora wrote:
lotrfan wrote:Yeah, so he's said that they're different species and can't be together because of that, but he didn't say that they won't be together.

Umm. I'll have to quote myself to answer this.
Mizora wrote:Oh my gosh. I LOVE this quote:
Holly and Artemis are at completely different stages in their lives – Holly is 70 in fairy years – so while they can grow to like and respect each other they can’t be together. If you want that, read Twilight.

Thank you, Eoin! That's just what I wanted. Also, what bentj said about A/H is right too. Finally! Someone sees from my point of view!

Eoin actually said they can't be together. How much clearer can you be?



You sound like a little brat. Seriously.

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Oi, no personal digs in the forums. Either make a complaint or sort it out yourselves via pm.
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Postby Mizora » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:53 am

Look, guys, I'm not a brat. I'm just stating facts how I see them. You gotta have a little compassion for me, I'm practically the only anti-A/H on this forum. Please don't think bad of me just because I'm not A/H. I'm not a prissy person, I'm just someone trying to get others to see from my point of view. Blahblah, I've already PM'd you so I'll leave what you said alone. But please refrain from insulting people just because you don't agree with them.
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Postby ILiveForTheDay » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:41 pm

Mizora wrote:Look, guys, I'm not a brat. I'm just stating facts how I see them. You gotta have a little compassion for me, I'm practically the only anti-A/H on this forum. Please don't think bad of me just because I'm not A/H. I'm not a prissy person, I'm just someone trying to get others to see from my point of view. Blahblah, I've already PM'd you so I'll leave what you said alone. But please refrain from insulting people just because you don't agree with them.


I second that. And anyway, I'm sure I've been a whole lot more bratty in some of my AH defending arguments. :lick:

But back on topic. What do you guys think the Amber magic that Holly now has means? Could this be another strike against AH? NOT ANOTHER
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Postby lotrfan » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:08 pm

ILiveForTheDay wrote:
Mizora wrote:Look, guys, I'm not a brat. I'm just stating facts how I see them. You gotta have a little compassion for me, I'm practically the only anti-A/H on this forum. Please don't think bad of me just because I'm not A/H. I'm not a prissy person, I'm just someone trying to get others to see from my point of view. Blahblah, I've already PM'd you so I'll leave what you said alone. But please refrain from insulting people just because you don't agree with them.


I second that. And anyway, I'm sure I've been a whole lot more bratty in some of my AH defending arguments. :lick:

But back on topic. What do you guys think the Amber magic that Holly now has means? Could this be another strike against AH? NOT ANOTHER


Yeah, I agree with you too Mizora. No one should insult eachother here. And I don't dislike you because you're non A/H. I just dislike the concept of non-A/H and the fact that Colfer is being ridiculous about it.

What is Amber magic? I don't even remember that...

ILiveForTheDay wrote:GO. READ IT. (And then read the follow on fic)
They're both really good (and cleverly done)

And have you read any fanfiction yet? You know, you're not counted as a true fan until you do

But basically the punchline is, if anyone says to Artemis he CAN'T do something, he will have to do it.


:P Oh sure. XD
Ok, I'll read it. Can you give me a link to it? Also, is that a good one to start with?
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Postby ILiveForTheDay » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:42 pm

lotrfan wrote:
ILiveForTheDay wrote:
Mizora wrote:Look, guys, I'm not a brat. I'm just stating facts how I see them. You gotta have a little compassion for me, I'm practically the only anti-A/H on this forum. Please don't think bad of me just because I'm not A/H. I'm not a prissy person, I'm just someone trying to get others to see from my point of view. Blahblah, I've already PM'd you so I'll leave what you said alone. But please refrain from insulting people just because you don't agree with them.


I second that. And anyway, I'm sure I've been a whole lot more bratty in some of my AH defending arguments. :lick:

But back on topic. What do you guys think the Amber magic that Holly now has means? Could this be another strike against AH? NOT ANOTHER


Yeah, I agree with you too Mizora. No one should insult eachother here. And I don't dislike you because you're non A/H. I just dislike the concept of non-A/H and the fact that Colfer is being ridiculous about it.

What is Amber magic? I don't even remember that...

ILiveForTheDay wrote:GO. READ IT. (And then read the follow on fic)
They're both really good (and cleverly done)

And have you read any fanfiction yet? You know, you're not counted as a true fan until you do

But basically the punchline is, if anyone says to Artemis he CAN'T do something, he will have to do it.


:P Oh sure. XD
Ok, I'll read it. Can you give me a link to it? Also, is that a good one to start with?


The amber magic is when she gets injured; she then thinks 'Amber magic? I must be getting old', which is pretty much the exact quote because I was so angry at Colfer for putting it in there I almost memorised it.

And here's the link to The C Word: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6014893/1/The_C_Word
Then here's the follow on fic Why One Must Not Attempt To Analyze a Child Genius: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5984580/1/Why_One_Must_Not_Attempt_To_Analyze_A_Child_Genius

You can tell how good they are by the amount of reviews they've both recieved. And Artemis is actually IC, which you'll find is a rather rare occurance.
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Postby Purple_Enigma » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:21 am

Really? The Amber magic was because she was injured? I don't get how "I must be getting old" fits into that... as in it takes longer for her to heal? :p Someone please explain it to the fool :blush:

The C Word was awesome, btw,reading the follow up now :p
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Postby ILiveForTheDay » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:01 pm

Purple_Enigma wrote:Really? The Amber magic was because she was injured? I don't get how "I must be getting old" fits into that... as in it takes longer for her to heal? :p Someone please explain it to the fool :blush:

The C Word was awesome, btw,reading the follow up now :p


I think Colfer meant it in the sense that as fairies got older, the colours of their magic changed. But it was kind of like the neck clicking in TTP, really random. Which made me think WHY? Which made me think AH. Which made me think NO.
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Grady: 'Cuz everytime you try to do something nice for us we end up sad
Nico: Or injured
Grady: Or in Mexico. . .

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It's ALIVE.

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