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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Last Guardian **HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!**

Postby Merv Simestra » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:19 pm

afoul wrote:Yeah Foaly says "I never thought I'd say it, but Opal Koboi made good tech."

But see that's where the problem lies: all of that tech Opal created was created before the timeline split and it all exploded. Theoretically, it was created before The Opal Deception, probably around the time of The Arctic Incident. I've read the first four books more than a handful of times and though I'm sure Eoin could come up with an answer that placates all the fact is (to my understanding at least), that Opal obviously would not have the means to create any tech after her incarceration following The Arctic Incident.

I dunno, having to try and justify what is a seemingly large plot hole ruins the ending for me a bit. Still love the series, but disappointed with the last chapter.

The chrysalis would have had to have been made before ten-year-old Artemis sold the lemur because after that Opal the Younger slipped into the future. Do you get what I'm saying? The whole concept of the situation is really mind-boggling, but it makes sense if you think about in simple terms. If Opal had made the chrysalis before the younger her slipped out of her place in time, it would have exploded. But she created it before the whole endangered-animal-fiasco with the lemur, so it didn't go "Ka-Boom!" on everyone.

So really, anything she had made after Artemis's kidnapping of Holly would have blown up. Or even before than, because technically she was missing from the timeline.

I hope that makes sense, and I'm not confusing you all. It made sense in my head, but it doesn't look right in writing. :(
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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Last Guardian **HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!**

Postby Emmi-Kat » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:17 am

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Emmi-Kat wrote:Hey...if Arty died, then what happened to Holly's human eye? Any effect?

holly's human eye? it's in the ground with artemis's original body. the clone had both eyes blue -.- sadly!

No, that's Arty's faerie eye. Holly's human eye, Artemis' old eye, was in Holly's head. But if Artemis died, would his eye have died too, even though it wasn't any longer attached to him.
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Postby artytwin » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:24 am

Emmi-Kat wrote:
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Emmi-Kat wrote:Hey...if Arty died, then what happened to Holly's human eye? Any effect?

holly's human eye? it's in the ground with artemis's original body. the clone had both eyes blue -.- sadly!

No, that's Arty's faerie eye. Holly's human eye, Artemis' old eye, was in Holly's head. But if Artemis died, would his eye have died too, even though it wasn't any longer attached to him.

oh oh oh! sorry. well i dont know... maybe it became a part of holly?

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Postby Emmi-Kat » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:14 pm

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Emmi-Kat wrote:Hey...if Arty died, then what happened to Holly's human eye? Any effect?

holly's human eye? it's in the ground with artemis's original body. the clone had both eyes blue -.- sadly!

No, that's Arty's faerie eye. Holly's human eye, Artemis' old eye, was in Holly's head. But if Artemis died, would his eye have died too, even though it wasn't any longer attached to him.

oh oh oh! sorry. well i dont know... maybe it became a part of holly?


Probably, though I thought it would be interesting if there was some effect on it from his dying.
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Postby Karkand » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:58 pm

I won't quote all those things, but I personally think that there shouldn't have been any affect, though it would be interesting. After all the eye in Holly'd head from Artemis doesn't have a telpathic link with Artemis's body, so it doesn't know wether to die or not.
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Postby Emmi-Kat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:00 am

It would have been cool if they could see what the other saw, too... :laughing:
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Postby artytwin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:29 am

OMG THAT WOULD BE SO CUTE. sheesh! this is not good, i've become a bloody A/H shipper!

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Postby Emmi-Kat » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:14 am

artytwin wrote:OMG THAT WOULD BE SO CUTE. sheesh! this is not good, i've become a bloody A/H shipper!


No!!! I didn't mean it like that!!!! D:
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Postby unappreciatedgenius7 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:39 pm

I found the begining and the end awesome. In the middle it was okay, but like was said before, not many witty quotes, but the part when they're all catching their breath in the lake and Butler says, We've lost the crickets, and Holly just bursts out laughing, and the rest of that part, yeah. That was perfect. Also Mulch and the Troll was pretty amusing. I like how authors can make up different things as they go, I find that so amusing.
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Postby artytwin » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:51 pm

Emmi-Kat wrote:
artytwin wrote:OMG THAT WOULD BE SO CUTE. sheesh! this is not good, i've become a bloody A/H shipper!


No!!! I didn't mean it like that!!!! D:

yeah i know you didn't. i just couldnt resist :( sorry

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Postby Emmi-Kat » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:37 am

artytwin wrote:
Emmi-Kat wrote:
artytwin wrote:OMG THAT WOULD BE SO CUTE. sheesh! this is not good, i've become a bloody A/H shipper!


No!!! I didn't mean it like that!!!! D:

yeah i know you didn't. i just couldnt resist :( sorry


It's okay. :)
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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Last Guardian **HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!**

Postby AF Lover » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:47 am

I keep reading the same page over and over and am stuck on the same question: how did Artemis die? I guess it's something to do with Opal's magic or something, but I need to know for sure. And if you didn't cry when Artemis died, you must be a robot.

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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Last Guardian **HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!**

Postby Merv Simestra » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:52 am

AF Lover wrote:I keep reading the same page over and over and am stuck on the same question: how did Artemis die? I guess it's something to do with Opal's magic or something, but I need to know for sure. And if you didn't cry when Artemis died, you must be a robot.


It's because Artemis has the fairy eye that the black magic targets him. Thus, it starts killing him. Which is sad. And made me cry. :(

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Postby AF Lover » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:48 pm

Thanks! I fully understand it now. 8)

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Re: Artemis Fowl: The Last Guardian **HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!**

Postby La Souris Bleue » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:29 pm

AF Lover wrote:And if you didn't cry when Artemis died, you must be a robot.


I'm pretty sure I'm not a robot, but I didn't cry anyway. I guess that was because I really didn't get into the book - sweet euphemism that is -, and... well, I was hoping, he would die. Dunno how to explain, I just felt that somehow had to happen ; wouldn't have it been an interesting ending ? Artemis did all kind of bad things, but that's when he eventually becomes a hero that he dies. Unfortunately, I can only imagine all the great debates we could have had about that, because it was too hard for Eoin Colfer to admit that maybe his main character had to disappear.
When Holly died, I cried. Because the book was excellent, packed with emotions, action and all since the very first pages, I was totally into the story and the brutality of her death hit me like a freakin truck when it happened. In the Last Guardian, it seems to me that at the very last chapter Colfer realized the book was completely empty and maybe needed at least a little scene of emotion. But it was too late for me, I guess.

When Holly came back, I was happy. When Artemis did, I was atroceously disappointed, not only because I longed for his death since the seventh book but also because I found the explanation of his return both ridiculous and very poorly led. Seriously, souls ? Ghosts ???!!! Where the hell did all that stuff came from ? I've nothing against ghosts, but such a huge thing should have been introduced way earlier in the books ; to me it just felt like Eoin Colfer wanted to bring Artemis back for an happy ending but he didn't have ideas, so he improvised.

... I really disliked that poor book x')
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