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World or love?

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A virus will be released into the air. You can give the vaccine to everyone, or to your love.

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Re: World or love?

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Re: World or love?

Postby bentj96 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:37 am

Once you meet your soul mate, this will mean something completely new. Giving it to your love would be selfish wouldn't it? If the world were to die, your love would also die, in the worst way possible. Dying in the hospital bed is so much better then attempting to survive as two people. And if the world got it, you yourself would get it too. Then your love would be all alone. Better one die then all, and then that one.
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Re: World or love?

Postby evil pixie » Thu May 07, 2009 10:15 pm

There's also that similar question:

If one person had the antidote to a deadly disease that many others possesed, would you kill that person in order to save the others? ( the person is unwilling to give up his/her life )

On one side, killing an innocent person in any culture, any society is wrong.

On the other, people are dying because this person is living.

What if this person with the antidote is your own family, friend? Would you still do it?

Back to the other question. Saving your love would be incredibly selfish. But saving the world would not only mean giving up your true love, but also meaning she/he would die an incredibly painful death. Would you bear knowing that you destroyed the world? Would you bear knowing you put the person you love through a painful death?

Anyways, I would hate to be in that position.
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Postby bentj96 » Fri May 08, 2009 11:46 pm

If I were in that situation, I would give it to myself.
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Re: World or love?

Postby Lyra Angelica » Sat May 09, 2009 10:24 pm

I don't see how the situation is plausible...how can one vaccine either be given to one person or eight billion and still have the same effect? And why is your love separate from the world? And why on earth would anyone give you that much power to control the future of humanity?

But...if it were the case, the only logical answer for me would be to choose the world. You have to remember that as much as you love him/her, there are billions of people out there who feel the same about their loves, their families, their lives, their hopes and dreams. To take all that away just for the sake of one person who is probably only so special to you, is nothing short of a crime against humanity. Price of the Me generation, I suppose.

But then again, I'm more or less an utilitarian.
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Postby bentj96 » Sun May 10, 2009 4:27 am

WTF? Vaccine????? Vaccines fight viruses.

I mentioned before that your love would suffer from the loss, and the then die from the virus all around him or her.
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Re: World or love?

Postby Lyra Angelica » Sun May 10, 2009 4:54 am

Um, yes, vaccines fight viruses. I don't see the point...

Actually, generally a vaccine guarantees immunization for quite a long time. Anywhere from a year to life, depending on how fast the virus mutates. Anyway, by a year, everyone else would be dead, so there's almost no chance of catching it after getting the vaccine.

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Postby bentj96 » Sun May 10, 2009 5:32 am

Then why, on Earth did you ask how a vaccine can kill one, or 8 billion. The population is more like 6.5 billion. Wikipedia says that as of now, we are at 6.7 billion approx.

To the world means releasing it upon the globe. At every possible site. At all the airports, all the military bases, all the major cities etc.

Almost 100% that your love would die within the first year. What are the chances that your love would be the very last one. Your love is also part of the world.
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Re: World or love?

Postby Lyra Angelica » Sun May 10, 2009 6:13 am

I asked how a vaccine could have the same effect on one person or eight (or six point five-- I'm not the best about stats) billion people. I was operating on the persumption that the vaccine has only limited avalibility and I was wondering how there could only be enough for one person or only be enough for the rest of the world but not that one. It really doesn't make sense if you think about it.

Releasing it? Generally, it isn't that simple. Supplies for vaccines especially in times of desperation are limited. Like now-- I certainly can't get my hands on any tamiful at the moment.

Anyway, I have already explained that your love wouldn't die if he/she had the vaccine. That is kind of the point of the vaccine.

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Postby bentj96 » Sun May 10, 2009 6:20 am

Vaccines? This is about a virus. You can't kill with a vaccine... DOH.

You can release a virus. It is alive. If someone breathes it in, they are infected. If they breathe it out, other are infected. And so on and so forth.

Who is to say this virus is known? Who is to say it can't evolve. And normal disease would kill us all. Once a very large amount of the population is dead, nothing will stop the apocalypse.
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Re: World or love?

Postby Lyra Angelica » Sun May 10, 2009 6:27 am

For the last time, I was talking about the vaccine eliminating the virus in a given number of people.

I assumed you were talking about releasing a vaccine. It wasn't very clear. But anyway, no one releases viruses either-- they spread of their own accord.

And of course they evolve. Everything evolves in some way. But by the time it evolves sufficiently to override the effects of the vaccine, everyone effected will have died so as long as your love keeps up with proper fumigation, there will be no way for it spread to him/her.

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Postby bentj96 » Sun May 10, 2009 6:37 am

No one releases viruses? How about a smart terrorist? There is always a first.

If the spreading of the virus is successful, billions could die. What are the chances your love won't die? And other factors would take him or her out because of the lack of other survivors.
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Re: World or love?

Postby Lyra Angelica » Sun May 10, 2009 6:39 am

I'm not sure what your argument is anymore.

IF you give only your love the vaccine, he/she will live.

IF you give it to the rest of the world, they will all live and your love will die.

Implausible as the situation is, it makes the choice ludicrously simple.

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Postby bentj96 » Sun May 10, 2009 6:44 am

What if the vaccine doesn't exist. It's possible to create new viruses. If you give it to the world, a large part of the world will die, the your love.
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Postby Lyra Angelica » Sun May 10, 2009 6:49 am

Under the premises of this question, the vaccine exists. So please stop arguing with the question.

That's enough for one night. Good night.

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