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Abortion

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Re: Abortion

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Re: Abortion

Postby lethe_naiad » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:25 pm

That's actually an interesting argument, because a lot of the christian churchs' moral rules are based on the concept of natural order - the belief that you shouldn't interfere with what they interpret as god's will.

But like Kitsy says, that argument applies both ways. Why should you help someone who is sick? That's interfering with nature.

If you want to be a scientist you need to grasp the fact that there is no fate in science. That's not the way a scientist should think. Perhaps you should do some more research?

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Re: Abortion

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Re: Abortion

Postby Kitsy » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:44 pm

I just used an example, I wasn't having a go at you personally - I'm sorry, I forgot about your personal problems.

But don't tell us to stop it - don't get into a debate if you're going to be so sensitive. I don't see the difference between losing a child and getting a child as "fate" - not to mention "fate" is such an abstract concept that you can't really use it in a debate of this kind.

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Re: Abortion

Postby opalkoboi » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:57 pm

Don't worry, I'm just over-sensitive because of it, I had to leave english because we were doing persuasive writing and some did a cancer charity. I know, right? :eyeroll: I didn't *really* think you'd take a personal hit at it, but I hope you understand how touchy it is.

Hm, I suppose, but that is my personal belief and just because I'm obssessed with science to it doesn't mean I can't believe in fate/everything happens for a reason, and I shouldn't be mocked for it. Ha, I suppose you may see why I'd be touchy about that, too. :/

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Re: Abortion

Postby Multiverse » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:22 pm

Well, Heiki, you stated some posts ago that Fate has no link to Science. What I like to think, though, is that Science more or less per definition relates to everything.
To define my point of view; I don´t believe in Fate - all beings seemingly have the power of free choice. Otherwise, what value would life have... and in that case, what is it that we´d be taking from unborn babies?

But I´ll have to back up on Lethe_Naiads reasoning - every single second that doesn´t involve everyone on the planet having unprotected sex is a waste of potential life. In a way you could say that the beauty of the world is that there are so many ways it can turn out, and that sadly, nobody ever get to experience more than one of these. I think that however valuable life is, conscience is of equal, if not more, value, so i all depends on what we define as Consciousness.

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Re: Abortion

Postby Kitsy » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:25 pm

If it all depends on what we define as consciousness, surely you can see that those who don't believe a foetus isn't conscious shouldn't have to carry it if they don't want to? I understand that some people believe that, and they don't have to have abortions but by taking away the right to have an abortion you're forcing that belief onto other people.

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Re: Abortion

Postby opalkoboi » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:38 pm

I don't think we should make abortions illegal, that's taking away free will and choice, but I'm very against abortion, as I believe it's killing.
If someone is the victim of circumstance thus needs an abortion, it's sad, but fine. If someone sleeps around, gets pregnant, then carelessly aborts, I think it's wrong.
But then again, if they didn't abort the child would have little quality of life as the mother (who slept around irresponsibly) obviously can't look after a child well (99% of the time, there will always be the minority).
Abortion is so complecated because it's different in every case, you simply cannot generalise it which is why it's so difficult to laybel as right or wrong, but I believe it's wrong 99% of the time, as I said, there will be oddball cases.

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Re: Abortion

Postby Multiverse » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:00 pm

@Kitsy: I don´t see what my statement has to do with that - you might, for instance, think that a foetus has some level of consciousness, but is yet unable to alter its reaction. I´d have to know more about the stuff to form a definite opinion on when Consciousness is achieved, so I can´t say whether or not I agree with you.
I´d also argue that it´s not forcing your belief onto others, it´s just taking the precautions of the fact that you might be right in believing what you believe, therefore neccessarily forcing the idea that you might be right onto them. ;)

@Heiki: Using that logic, hardly anything can be generalized. And neither should it be! I think that generalization, in general, is wrong. ;)
So what you´re saying is that you´d have abortions remain legal, but trust people to do what you consider the right thing to do? The problem is, however, that a lot of people won´t agree with you. Some, especially those who might otherwise have to go through a difficult birth and raise a child they don´t feel capable of having, will stick to the opinion that abortion is not murder.

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Re: Abortion

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Re: Abortion

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