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Re: Do you think TTP was darker then some of the other books?

Postby boy G » Fri May 14, 2010 6:34 pm

well, personally, I'd say that TLC was dark, because of Holly's death, and the idea in my head of a psychotic Demon leader leading a huge group of blood-thirsty Demons with flames in the background.

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but, i also think that TOD was dark, especially the Eleven Wonders part. i could almost feel the desperation.
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Re: Do you think TTP was darker then some of the other books

Postby Celsica » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:09 am

In what you said, the relationship of Holly and Artemis breaking I find this book was dark. But in everything else TTP was my favourite book. Action all the book, real problems, esporadical jokes, the "Do I or do I not love Holly/Artemis?" and nasty little Artemis gave me all the thrill I was expecting from the series.

I really, in overall, didn't find TTP dark. Like others said, to me the darkest one is TOD, with deaths, trolls, psychotic pixies and angry chefs. The good thing aboit that book though is that Artemis' and Holly's relationship grows A LOT!, but other than that is was as dark as a wolf's mouth.

We can take a good thing of Artemis' lie. He was actually VERY guilty of lyieng to her. That's something good in my opinion :)

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Postby Celsica » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:47 pm

I feel VERY pressured when they can't go out of a sentimental problem too. I'm still losing my sleep at night trying to solve out what's going to be of Holly and Artemis. But like I already said, the fact that Artemis felt bad and told Holly lifted up the pressure. It would have been a LOT darker for me if he didn't told her.

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Ok, ok, TTP was dark in it's own way, but what I maintain is that other books were darker.

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Postby Rocket Axxonu » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:27 pm

Yeah, it definitely could have been a lot worse. The whole thing seemed to be resolved fairly quickly after Artemis told the truth, but at the same time, I was also thinking when I was reading it that what Artemis did (give Holly the idea to be able to speak to Commander Root again), though nice, didn't actually address what he had done, because there really wasn't anything he *could* do that would undo the damage done completely.

Like Holly and Artemis' missing three years of their lives at the end of TLC and Root's death in TOD, these events feel 'darker' to me because the effects are longer lasting.

With the whole I know, I love the way Colfer wrote the romance in Artemis Fowl! It's not as though he's absolutely against writing romance or having the main characters get together in the end or anything; have you read any of his other books? Like Airman and the Supernaturalist...

lol, I think it probably has more to do with a reader's personal response on what they find the most unsettling. ^^' Or perhaps the term 'dark' is too ambiguous...

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Postby Celsica » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:47 pm

Ooh, I forgaot Artemis' gift of forgiveness! I found it soo cute! Artemis is really a good person now. Some years ago he would have not done that.

Eoin and romance totally fit. Sadly, I haven't read his other books, but I hope I can do it soon.

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Re: Do you think TTP was darker then some of the other books

Postby MinniePie » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:35 am

After it was pointed out did i think the book seemed darker, Little arty was down right mean and hateful!Celsica you should read the next book, it's not as dark and quite humerus. i liked it



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Postby Celsica » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:03 am

The next book? you are talking about TAC? I've read it a thousand times! I don't get your point though

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Re: Do you think TTP was darker then some of the other books

Postby Frondish17 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:23 am

I think that TTP was more character-based in a way than the others. While it still had an amazing plot - do any of Colfer's books have anything less than? - it was very focused on internal turmoil, both Artemis's guilt and inner change, and Holly's hormonal intrigue as well as an insight into her past (mother, claustrophobia, etc.)

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Re: Do you think TTP was darker then some of the other books

Postby Rocket Axxonu » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:39 am

Yeah, the focus on the characters and their internal struggles was what made me love this book the most. Your comment sort of reminds me of a thread I was just looking at earlier today in the debate section, about whether physical or emotional pain is harder to endure.

Somehow, I responded more emotionally to Artemis's struggle between 'being strong' and doing what's necessary to save his mother, and also not wanting to be cruel to a close friend than I had to TOD's scene where Holly and Artemis were about to be torn to shreds by Trolls (and that's not to downplay how gripping the Troll scene was, it was pretty scary).

Yes, learning about Holly's past with her mother was of particular interest to me too. For one, it gave us insight into how Holly grew into the strong, tough officer we see in the first few books (I think it's implied she had to toughen up in order to get along in the world without her mother). But there was another thing I picked up when I was rereading the book last week from the whole story of her mother, and I think that the racist theme in TTP is even stronger than in the other books.

Holly's mother died as a result of human actions, and she says that she wanted to hunt those humans down, that she hated them. Besides the generally anti-Mud Man sentiments propagated by fairy culture, this could also in part explain Holly's strong anti-Mud Men feelings we've seen in the previous books. There are other statements such as 'she realized she no longer thought of Artemis as a human, just as a friend' and the very first scene we see Holly in, where Foaly's having Holly listen to the sound file about the kraken, she's doing her usual thing of citing human shortcomings.

Although we never got to see that theme resolved, I guess that might make the book seem 'darker' too...


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